Two media icons locked horns Tuesday when Ellen DeGeneres made her first appearance on The Howard Stern Show, in a chat that included revelations about Caitlyn Jenner.
"She still has a judgment about gay marriage," DeGeneres, 57, told Stern, 61. "I said, 'You're wanting people to understand and accept you, this is like really confusing to people. And you want us to understand, and that you still have a judgment about gay people and marriage.'
"And she goes, 'Well, she said if the word 'marriage' is that important ... and I was like, 'It is, because that's the word.' Like, we want the same thing."
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DeGeneres told Stern that Jenner "didn't dance" -- as is custom on the show -- speculating, "maybe she didn't want to dance with me cause I'm a lesbian."
DeGeneres -- calling her exchange with Jenner "a great interview" -- said she's "trying to understand" Caitlyn's life change "because I don't fully understand it either.
"But I also want everyone to be happy ... which is what I want for her, for me."
She that she believed she could be a voice of the people, despite music not being her primary business.
"As a fan of the shows, it doesn't matter that I sing or I know anything about pitch or anything, I'm like everybody else at home -- it's American Idol. So I thought I'm gonna represent those people at home that have opinions."
She told Stern -- who's often shown his softer side speaking with hopefuls as a judge on NBC's America's Got Talent -- that she didn't have it in her to crush people's dreams with scathing critiques on national TV.
"I just thought, like Howard says, 'I can't break this person's heart' ... let somebody else do that."
The Howard Stern Show airs weekdays on SiriusXM.