HERTZBERG 2.0 Rick Hertzberg with wife Virginia Cannon
Is your blog edited the same way your Comment section is edited?
The blog is edited. But it's neither written nor edited with the same excruciating care as the Comment.
Do you still stay up all night when you're writing a New Yorker comment?
I don't, no, not in the sense of not getting any sleep. I often stay in the office and spend the night in the office and work in the middle of the night. But I'm too old to [stay up all night]—I need to get a few hours sleep.
Does Virginia edit the Comment? [Virginia Cannon, a New Yorker editor, who is also Hertzberg's wife.]
Yes, she certainly does.
Is it very complicated having your wife as your main editor?
Of course it's potentially very complicated. But it has proved so far to be great from my point of view. She's a great editor. She's absolutely unflappable. She's very tactful. She has pretty close to unerring instincts when something is wrong. Whenever she says there's a problem, in 99.9 percent of the cases, it turns out there is a problem. She generally leaves it to me to do the fixing, but without her I wouldn't know what to fix. And she doesn't get put off if I sulk a bit first.
What about the blog?
If I'm worried about a post, if I think there might be a problem of tone or something, then I show it to Virginia. But that's more of a traditional husband-and-wife kind of thing.
Did you go to Remnick with the idea for a blog, or did he ask you to do this?
There had been sort of an open invitation to me to do one if I wanted to. Then, in August, when I wanted to go to the YearlyKos convention, I said, kind of on a whim, well, why don't I go out there and blog it? Sort of as a one-time thing—blogging the bloggers. [Click here for Hertzberg's first post.]
That was where you noticed there were a thousand news junkies, and not one was carrying a newspaper.
A terrifying moment.
Did you suddenly find that you like this form?
Yeah, I like the form. It's easier than writing a finely crafted essay. It's much more casual. It's much more relaxed. It's much less scary. It's much less demanding. Of course, that's one of the things that's dangerous about it. But I find it extremely useful as a sort of pump primer; it keeps my fingers limbered up and my brain turning over. And the minute-by-minute stakes are not as high; for one thing, it's no big deal if you write a blog post, and then decide not to post it.
Does your nine-year-old son go on the Web?
[With resignation.] Yeah. We tried to keep him away from computers as long as we could. And I think we may have succeeded in keeping him away long enough so that he will occasionally read books when he grows up. But we have computers sitting around the house, and they're not under lock and key. And he goes and starts looking stuff up, often as a supplement to his reading. There's a huge universe of Harry Potter stuff and Star Trek stuff and Star Wars stuff and space program stuff. He's very into the space program lately.
Who is your favorite president?
Lincoln, of course.
Do you have a candidate for president for 2008?
Not in the magazine. But I certainly have my personal hopes and wishes. I have leaned all along toward Obama. I just think if Obama were president it would blow minds all over the world. But I think we have a great field. I'm warming more and more to Hillary. I like Edwards a lot. I like Dodd and Biden. I think it's a great bunch.
TAKING OFF Hertzberg aboard Air Force One with President Jimmy Carter
When you and I were boys, you had to go through some period of apprenticeship or training, you had to go through a process before you reached the point where your words would be shared with a large portion of the wider world. Whereas now, all you really need to be able to do is...type. [Hertzberg laughs.] Has this made the world a better place?
Too early to tell. [
Kaiser laughs.] Again, at first glance, it seems obvious that it has to have made the world a worse place.
Because?
The way you framed the development is that people who know nothing and have learned nothing are filling our ears with worthless garbage.
The Web really is kind of a miracle. Of course, it's killing so many great institutions. Not just newspapers, but libraries. You can get a lot of info without even getting out of bed. The Web is a very caveat emptor place.Well, there's the potential for that.
Is it a good thing or a bad thing? I just don't know. I know there are a lot of interesting voices out there in the blogosphere.
My overall feeling about the Web is that it's the best of everything, and the worst of everything.
Yeah—because it's everything. It really is kind of a miracle. Of course, it's killing so many great institutions. Not just newspapers, but libraries. You can get a lot of info without even getting out of bed. The Web is a very caveat emptor place.
You've spent roughly half your career in Washington and half in New York. Do D.C. journalists have an inside-the-Beltway problem?
Of course there's an inside-the-Beltway problem. There's also an outside-the-Beltway problem.
Which one is worse?
The one that one happens to be discussing at the moment. The inside-the-Beltway problem is a type of tunnel vision and a sense of narrow possibilities. It's also a fear of not being Serious with a capital S.
I would say Serious/Masculine.
Yes, right. In other words, it's much harder to damage your career by consistently supporting war and cruelty than by consistently supporting peace and love. The default position is "bombs away." The problem with the outside-the-Beltway mentality is an ignorance of what the actual human pressures and incentives are inside the Beltway, why politicians and pundits behave the way they do, and why that is not necessarily entirely attributable to their moral depravity.
Washington is the world's largest company town, which makes the debate more intense, but also more limited. You know, the person who got everything right about Iraq was Molly Ivins. She predicted the civil war, predicted the quagmire. And she hardly had any Washington sources at all.
Yeah. The way that this war was slid into—that was a nightmare. It was largely all about 9/11. I think the [Bush administration] very skillfully played into the fear of terrorists with nukes. Legions of people both inside and outside the Beltway—I was certainly one of them—were spooked by the idea of terrorists with nukes. And the sort of "what if they're right" fear. In the end, I didn't go along with it. But for me, being against the war was not an automatic thing. It was after much agonizing thought and a lot of emotion.
I think I was pretty sure that I had seen this movie before, and I knew how it ended. With helicopters above the American embassy.
You were right.
It was a lucky guess. But it certainly feels more like that every day.
Does it ever.
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