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Scientologists Team with eBay to Keep 'Tech' Away from 'Suppressives'

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DEVIL EX MACHINA Scientology's E-meter
Are you experiencing buyer's remorse after purchasing an extremely costly, Church of Scientology-sanctioned e-meter and hope to assuage your guilt by selling it on the secondary market? You might be out of luck. According to a recent report, the Church has been granted direct access to eBay auctions to block the secondhand sale of the nominal lie detectors, both to prevent them from being sold to "suppressives" as well as to ensure that all would-be e-meter purchasers buy them directly from the Church (at a higher price, of course).

E-meters—essentially tin-can contraptions that pass an electric current through the user and spit out a dubious assessment of his or her state of mind (these are the machines that street recruiters and maybe even John Travolta have tried to hook you up to for a "free stress test")—have zero scientific utility, though that hasn't prevented the Church from selling them for upwards of $4,500 a pop. Now, the Church, through eBay's Verified Rights Owner Program, has been granted permission by the online auction house to go in and delete any listings for second-hand e-meters.

The VeRO program is ostensibly for sellers who wish to block the sale of such counterfeit goods as, say, fake Prada handbags. However, given that the e-meters being sold on eBay are authentic, it appears the Church is operating outside of VeRO's intended scope, and is thus guilty of, among other things, "price fixing, tortious interference with a contract, misrepresentation, perjury, unfair competition, discriminatory business practices, and religious discrimination." (Most auctions have already been removed, but screengrabs are available here).

This isn't the only price-gouging practice by the purportedly "religious" organization. One estimate pegs the cost of ascending from novice to OT9—one of the highest levels in Scientology—at between $365,000 and $380,000. Church-sponsored seminars and auditing sessions often run into the thousands of dollars. But, hey, that's probably cheaper than psychiatric drugs!

An e-mail to an eBay spokesperson seeking comment was not returned by post time.

Comments

Radar keeps on keepin' on by exposing the Church (sic) of Scientology and its continual acts of subterfuge. eBay will likely get a clue about this abuse of the VERO program. Who knows; eBay lives in a somewhat different universe than earthlings do. I hope that eBay's universe is not the same one where Scientology lives.

There is a saying among critics of Scientology: No matter how bad you think Scientology is, it is actually worse. This refers not the the run-of-the-wallet public Scientologist, but to the attitudes and actions of the secretive management of the kult. When threatened by outsiders, Scientology's management knows no bottom to their evil, insidious actions. They will do what they think they have to do in accordance with the paranoic demands of their now-dead founder, L Ron Hubbard, all of which paranoic demands are written into their religious (sic) management dogma.

"Ron is gone, but the Scam Lives On!"

Q

Posted by: Quaoar on February 20, 2008 5:26 PM

I wish the Co$ would just stop messing with our internet ¬_¬

Posted by: unknown on February 20, 2008 5:45 PM

Question authority and question...

* Scientologys harassment and litigious policies against its critics and against free speech.

* Scientologys attempts to force search engines to omit any websites critical of them.

* Scientologys belief that they are the only ones that can help the world ( make the world "clear" ), thus being intolerant of other religions - something they fight for when its their religion being attacked. (most cults believe that they are the only ones that know the "truth")

* Scientologys disconnection policy, which requires members to cut all ties to friends and family considered "antagonistic" towards the religion (a basic practice of all cults). No other religion does this.

* Scientologys affirmation that anything written by L Ron Hubbard is the true and definitive word. It can not be altered or disputed (a single messianic figure, another basic practice of all cults). Is he really that much starter than everyone else in the world? Come on... really? Always question authority!

* Scientologys organizational structure, ethics policies and security checks. No other religion does this.

* Scientologys military uniforms and titles. No other religion does this.

* Scientologys attack on psychiatry solely because psychiatry attacked L Ron Hubbard for practicing medicine without a license and having no scientific proof that his form of psychotherapy worked. (once, after stating that Dianetics improved ones memory, a person declared as "clear" couldnt even remember the color of Hubbards tie). L Ron Hubbard turned Dianetics into Scientology in order to continue to make money and avoid criminal charges. Ask yourself, why psycs? Hmmm.. Do you think that maybe its because they are in direct competition for psychotherapy dollars. Did you know that Hubbard himself requested psychiatric assistance from the V.A.?

* Scientologys contribution scheme which requires you to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to reach the highest level of their "Bridge to Total Freedom". Making money is one of the sole functions of each "org" - organization - aka "mission" ( KSW - Keep Scientology Working is their motto). Christians dont charge for their "secrets". Mormons will send you a copy of "The Book of Mormon" for free. Jehovah Witnesses will come to your house and talk to you freely about their religion. Ask yourself.. why charge if the purpose is to clear the world? Wouldnt the world be clear quicker if was free? Wouldnt people gladly give you money for "saving" them?

* Scientologys misleading images of using the cross (a symbol of Christianity), the words "Mission" and "Minister" to promote their psychotherapy as a religion (Scientologists do not believe in Christ. L Ron Hubbard once said "there was no Christ". He said that religion was created in 600 BC by people "using a piece of R6" implant. L Ron Hubbard also implied that Christ was a pedophile). Scientology is not tolerant of any other religion. It cant be because it goes against everything L Ron Hubbard teaches and he isnt wrong... is he? Ask yourself... why the cross? I know about the 8 points, but why not just 8 lines intersecting each other? Why use something that looks like a Christian cross? It is maybe to mislead people into thinking that Scientologists are in some way Christians?

* Scientologys deceptive marketing strategies used to lure you into the church to take courses intended to help you achieve your "full potential". These include the "Free Personality Test", that always points out problems they can help you with if you paid them, and through frontline organizations such as WISE, ABLE, The Way to Happiness and Applied Scholastics which introduces potential members (including school age children) to the teachings of L Ron Hubbard and his made up terminology (which requires a Scientology dictionary to understand). Ask yourself... why "courses", books and videos and lectures that you have to pay for? Why not just teach the religion for free in churches? Why deceive people?

* The death of a Scientologist Lisa McPherson while in the care of the Church. The Church settled this case out of court. Why?

* The suicide of Noah Lottick who jumped from the roof of a building because he had no more money to give the Church. There have been many others like Noah, including L Ron Hubbards own son, that have taken their own lives because of conflicts the church.

* Criminal activities committed on behalf of the Church and directed by Church officials such as Operation Freakout and Operation Snow White in which L Ron Hubbards wife was sent to prison.

* Conflicting statements about L. Ron Hubbards life, in particular false accounts of Hubbards education (he flunked out of George Washington University and never attended Princeton), credentials (he was never a Civil Engineer nor a Nuclear Scientist), military career (he was never a WWII Hero. In fact, he was decommissioned twice, once for accidentally ordering his ship to fire upon Mexico - It wasnt until he created the Sea Org that he gave himself the title of "Commodore" and made everyone wear naval uniforms that he finally achieved his dream of being a great naval officer) and lastly his great expeditions (2 failed attempts one trying to make a movie and the other searching buried gold). He also abandoned his first wife and children while he went on these "adventures", cheated on his wife, committed bigamy, tried to kidnap his daughter from his second wife and was himself on medication at the time of his death. If the man lied about himself... and is a "great" Science Fiction writer... ask yourself, can you really trust him to tell you the truth? Why did all his explorations and accomplishments stop when he after founding the Church?

All-in-all, Scientology is based on lies and the ego of one man. It is a scam in global proportions.

Question it. Question everything the church tells you. Find your own truth.

Posted by: BeenThere on February 20, 2008 5:49 PM

it's simply a business protecting its assets, it has to restrict supply, if it allows anyone to sell these things then the market price could collapse, then where would we be?

Posted by: davidM on February 20, 2008 6:24 PM

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The CoS ran over my dog. Then they said they were the only ones who could help it.

Posted by: Fate Popcorn on February 20, 2008 6:57 PM

I am so amused by Neel Shah's assessment of the E-meter:
"E-meters--essentially tin-can contraptions that pass an electric current through the user and spit out a dubious assessment of his or her state of mind have zero scientific utility."
Anyone who has studied that technology can immediately see that Neel Shah hasn't a clue in the world about an E-meter's working. This is not to say that Neel Shah isn't completely confident in his statement, certainly his statement is confident. But that certainty, that confidence, does not come from an understanding of the E-meter, it does not come from using the E-meter, it does not come from education within a Church of Scientology for E-meter use. It is precisely these sorts of (very) self confident but obviously (very) wrong statements that are the mark of Scientology's critics.

Posted by: Terryeo on February 20, 2008 9:55 PM

davidM -- You're proving a very good point, especially by calling the Church of Scientology a business. Why aren't they tax-exempt yet?

Also, Terryeo is most likely part of the Scientology staff that gets paid 50$/week to work 14-hour days. Just google his name up and you'll see for yourself.

Posted by: Anoynymause on February 20, 2008 10:05 PM

Terryeo,

Are you trying to use l ron hubbard's "The only way to control people is to lie to them" tactic of scientology's?

Too transparrent my friend.

What is true is that you do not have a clue about the reality of the e-meter. I am a EE and have studied them and know many who once used it probably far more extensively than you (some were once OT8's).

Actually Neel has hit the head on the nail and whether you want to believe it or not all you have to do is turn any of them over and read the little sticker:

The e-meter..." is a religious artifact used by scientology ministers in pastoral counseling, and is not intended or effective for the diagnosis, treatment or prevention of any disease"

which is as per their FDA ordered disclaimer of which they were forced to admit to long ago and apply the warning it to all e-meters (though I'm sure you took that off yours so that you could have an acceptable reality for yourself).

Posted by: concernedcitizen on February 20, 2008 10:18 PM

Aha, Anoynymause, you have hammered my point home once more. You make a (very) confident statement that is (very) wrong. I responded to many of those sorts of things at wikipedia, Anoynymause, but those responses were ignored by critics because, after all, critics always know FOR SURE, don't they? You amuse me.

Posted by: Terryeo on February 20, 2008 10:20 PM

Terryeo, you should consider re-reading my comment. I made a sentence-long supposition on your nature, and then a suggestion for other readers. You're the one being very pompous and sure, and are still not defending but attacking, a (probably very literally) trade-marked response from the Church of Scientology.
I am done talking to you on this article, but will be looking forward to seeing you attack more writers in future articles!

Posted by: Anoynymause on February 20, 2008 10:48 PM

Anyone interested in further study of Terryeo should refer to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Terryeo

Posted by: AnonymousMaximus on February 21, 2008 12:09 AM

Petitions:

You pay taxes - why shouldn't the 'church' of $cientology?
Sign the petitions to revoke scientology's tax exempt status in the USA:
http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/stopscientology
http://www.petitiononline.com/cofs1/petition.html

Scientology does not have religious status (ie tax exemption) in the UK and e-petitions have been set up requesting that the government continue to 'Refuse any application submitted by the 'Church' of Scientology for recognition as a Religious Organisation in the UK'. Others are requesting an investigation by the Inland Revenue into treatment of scientology staff in relation to minimum wage laws and demanding legislation to bring about severance of any links between scientology's front group 'Narconon' and the British police force, schools and other publicly funded organisations. The petitions can be viewed (and signed by British citizens or residents) by logging on to the Downing Street website:

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/StopNarconon/
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/scientologyno/
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/-Scientology/
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/anti-scientology/
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/PoliceandCoS/
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/ScientologyNMW/#detail

".....the protections that we enjoy for freedom of worship exist so long as we don't step over the line, when religious worship and belief cross over into things like fraud, victimization of others and the disruption of the political arena, that protection is no longer appropriate."

Posted by: joepublic on February 21, 2008 3:02 AM

The E-Meter seems like the world's most expensive paperweight. Why is $cientology afraid to show how it works in an open, debatable forum. I also understand it can be used to test Thetans of tomatoes:
http://www.clambake.org/archive/techniques/tomato.jpg

Posted by: anotheranon on February 21, 2008 10:31 AM

I have a question Terryeo. Was L Ron Hubbard, the writer and professional in dozens of fields, too stupid to spot the alleged 'transcription errors' that made the 'new basics' necessary? Or did David Miscavige 'alter the tech' in defiance of kSW? It has to be one or the other, so who's side are you on? LRH or DM?

Posted by: redpillontopix on February 21, 2008 3:35 PM

The more I research this "church" the more amazing it gets, for instance L Ron Hubbard's successor David Miscavage decided that there were "punctuation errors" in over a dozen of L Ron Hubbards books and that the victims of this cult need to buy all new sets of these books at their expense, spending hundreds if not thousands of dollars.
This means that either the original books that the "church claims to be the infallible word of their prophet are flawed or else it means that David Miscavage has found a way to print his own money.
Honestly Google up more about this cult, it is entertaining and scary at the same time

Posted by: johno53 on February 21, 2008 4:47 PM

In my experience; The two subjects reported on by Radar most likely to attract the most comments AND self-deluded trolls are...(drum roll please) Scientology and Taylor Hicks. How bizarre is that?

Keep the comments coming folks and maybe Scientology Nutjobs vs. People Capable Of Thinking For Themselves will break the record of 400+ comments set by Taylor Hicks Nutjobs vs. People Who Don't Need Anti-Psychotic Medication

Posted by: lbh on February 22, 2008 2:41 PM

Mission Impossible: restoring sanity to Tom Cruise and the ilk.

Posted by: myradar on February 27, 2008 12:39 PM

TERRYEO...

Something everyone should know about Terryeo is that he is an OSA shill with Scientology and nothing more. A WHOLE PAGE exists about him at www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Terryeo.

Posted by: Centurian 10 on April 13, 2008 9:24 PM


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