Not only are they there, scientology put out press releases just hours after the shooting blaming mental health meds when we didn't even know who the shooter was at that time.
If the press wasn't there they wouldn't be there.
Read more about the dark side of scientoloogy at:

xenu.net xenutv.comassociatedcontent.com

I am from Virginia and there has been enough hate already, this is a time for healing. The caring and kind Scientologist came here only to help, doing what they can to make things better. The Volunteer Scientology Ministers are here only to help. God bless them and all who are here helping.

Sorry sweetie, the Scientologists are there to recruit, not to 'help'. Those volunteer ministers have quota's to fill. they also, despite their claims, push scientology as the solution to everyone's 'stress during this tough time'. They divert people from getting real help for stress shock and depression and instead offfer such garbage as 'touch assists' while trying to sign people up for further expensive scientology courses.

Remeber, it was a scientology organization that, before the name of the shooter was even released, was spouting publically about 'psych drugs'. Did you know scientology's aim is to 'machine gun' or 'blow' all 'psychs' out of existence? Do a little research on the subject.

PS

Sympathy and empathy are so low on the Scientology 'tone scale' that those who feel them are considered 'dysfunctional'. That says so much about the real motivation for their 'missionary' work.

The psychiatrist let Cho go and did nothing to alert the police about Cho. That is what the psychiatrist said who saw Cho before he killed 32 people. Most intelligent people know that there are bottom feeders like the people who make their living off of of bad news, media whores. God knows there are people who hate religion, most people know that even Jesus was nailed to a cross for what he believed. One of the reasons Cho went postal was because of people like the haters who post hate messages here. You bullies are the same kind of people who bully people like Cho into doing things that hurt a lot of people. You bullies need to be locked up. You haters/bullies seem to be going crazy just because someone showed up and wanted to help. How this got "top story" is beyond me. It makes me think that RADAR is just a bunch of haters.
Behind most shootings like this the people doing the shootings have been on psychiatric drugs. The Columbine shooters were on Prozac, a psychiatric drug. The FDA even made the psychiatric drug makers tell people that some of their drugs can cause people who take them to commit suicide. I think they should make them tell people that they also cause people who take them to kill others, like the Columbine killers did.
I think the Scientologists are right, psychiatrist do more harm than good, any fool can see that. Again the psychiatrist let Cho go and failed to stop him or tell the police, knowing he had a problem. So you see Honey, I did my research and discovered that bullies like you who hate religion want to harm people and spread your message of hate
and spread your poison. Because I am from Virginia, I one time came upon a rattle snake in the mountains and I cut the head off before it could bite me.
I am sure you haters must be shaking your rattle ready to bit me. We have a saying here "Don't tread on me". We bite back. Now let me remind you, if you have not lost your mind by now with rage, that the situation here at Virginia Tech is one of mending and getting over a tragedy. If volunteers and ministers and different religions want to help they are welcome. We live in a free country and we respect people who help. We do not need more haters and people who want to make more trouble, you can go back under your rock
and stay there where people like you belong.

Hey, Freeman. Let me tell you a little story, about a man named Jairus C. Godeka. Jairus Godeka was a man with quite a lot of troubles. These troubles were what led him, one day in September of 1996, to go into a Church of Scientology, start a fire and start firing guns. No one was killed, but four people were shot and seriously injured.

Do you know who Scientology blamed for this? The haters. That's who they blamed. Their Media Relations Director named the incident in a public forum as an example of how, allegedly, "hate speech and extremist propaganda on the Internet [has] repeatedly driven unstable individuals to commit felonious acts against Church members and Church property." Kendrick Moxon, a top lawyer for Scientology, referred to the incident in court and made the same representation that "this person was inflamed by the same Internet allegations, allegedly."

Why am I mentioning this incident? Because Scientology over and over has tried to portray this as an incident caused by "haters", and they have never once mentioned the fact, which they knew, that Jairus Godelka was a Scientologist.

Yes, that's right -- every time there's a shooting, Scientology tries to claim "oh, it must have been because he was on psych drugs" even when they themselves admit they know nothing about the suspect or his history. Even if the shooter turns out to have been off so-called "psych drugs", as was the case with the Columbine shooters, Scientology blames it on the fact that they were at some point on them. And yet, when the shooter is known to have been "on" Scientology and he himself says "Scientology ruined my life", Scientology sweeps it under the rug and says "it must have been those haters and bullies who made him start shooting!" You say "The psychiatrist let Cho go and did nothing to alert the police about Cho."

Well, Freeman, the Scientologists let Godelka pay lots of money for courses and they pressured him to separate from his wife but they certainly didn't do anything to alert the police about Godelka before he went shooting, did they? If their "technology" is so much better than anything else, why did they let Jairus Godelka shoot four people in their own org? Why did they let Jeremy Perkins stab his mother to death? Why did they let Lisa McPherson die? Tell me when your "research" turns up the answers to that.

People who wish to help in this situation should not be demonized. There are those who confuse all religion with religious fundamentalists or fascists. They are not the same. There are those who find comfort in their beliefs. Let's just be for awhile.

If they are there to help, more power to them.

As an expression of shared sorrow, and support, I've just released two new, royalty-free songs of support I wrote and recorded for families and friends of Virginia Tech massacre victims:

Today, In Virginia
Dr BLT's One Man "Banned"
Words and music by Bruce L. Thiessen, aka Dr. BLT Dr BLT ©2007
http://www.drblt.net/music/TinV.mp3

Virginia's Tears
Dr BLT's One Man "Banned"
Words and music by Dr BLT ©2007
http://www.drblt.net/music/VT.mp3

Bruce L. Thiessen, Ph.D, aka Dr BLT
University Instructor
Singer/songwriter/psychologist

Wow Freeman, That was quite a misleading rant you posted. Lets try to remember a few things here. First the doctor who released Cho had no choice at the time. At that time Cho was not a danger to himself or others under the law. And your facts are off. The Columbine shooter had been off his med's for two months before the shooting. The only poster that sounds hateful here is you. You trash not only the posters but even the Radar site for putting up views you disagree with. This same group showed up at ground zero and tried very hard to keep trama victims from seeing trained doctor's. They think mental illness is not real. They think every mental health drug is fake. And yes, they think their silly touch assists can cure these poor people who have already lost so much. Google scienotlogy and 9/11 and read the stories. This group put press releases out blaming mental health meds a full day before we even had the name of the shooter. Just as you are blaming the med's when the facts are not yet in. How sick is that? That you and others are willing to let the real reason slide under the wire just to promote your views? How is that helping anyone? How will that help prevent it from happening again? Like I said, the only name calling and hate I see is coming from you.

Some nice reporter please go ask one of these "volunteers" exactly what sort of help they offer. Do they give people a blanket or food or what? How exactly do they "help" people? Caring and kind is for the receivers to decide not the "givers". Also, while your asking these questions ask those volunteers if they work for the church full time and how they are compensated. They shouldn't have a problem with a couple of questions if they have nothing to hide.

Just an obesrvation.

For those who wonder what the Vulture Ministers from the 'Church' of Scientology want at Virginia Tech, here's an 'internal e-mail' sent to potential VMs after 9/11:

From: XXXXXXX@aol.com
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003
To:
Subject: VM Tent Seminar in NY, a success!!

-Ground 0 VM Ayal Lindeman delivered the VM Tent Seminar to an
enthusiastic audience at the New York Org January 18 and 19. After a
grand introduction by IAS Freedom Medal Winner (for her work at Ground
0) Bunny Dubin, Ayal proceeded to review and drill the various
dissemination references he had drilled on the Freewinds when he
attended the first ever VM Conference.

What impressed me the most about this seminar is that International
Management has laid out step by step exactly what is needed to find
someone's ruin and route them on to the exact service to handle it.
Laser precise! In all my years in Scientology (which are quite a few
[25]), I've not seen a dissemination line laid out with this
simplicity and exactness. The key, however, is having people billed
and drilled on the exact process. THOSE YELLOW TENTS CANNOT HAPPEN
WITHOUT PEOPLE DOING THIS SEMINAR AND GETTING HATTED ON HOW IT ALL
WORKS.

It takes about 20 people to run a tent event. Each one needs to know
his or her hat. Each hat has to be drilled to certainty. Some folk
route people into the tent; some take them through the panels and find
a ruin; others then deliver a service right there (e.g., an assist),
or FSM the person onto the right org course. The exact comm cycles
need to be learned; the exact procedures drilled. The tent needs to
be set up and taken down; the area needs to be safe pointed and legal
ruds ensured. It all works together like a well oiled machine.

So, I encourage you to attend tent seminars if they are going on in
your area, or get a Freewinds-hatted VM to do one if they are not!
This cycle can open the floodgates and create a wonderful effect by
getting people on to the Bridge! The Tents' unique ruin-finding
process makes it simple and exact.

---------------

Here is the e-mail for Virginia Tech Vulture Ministers:

VOLUNTEER MINISTERS NEEDED
TO HELP IN THE AFTERMATH OF THE VIRGINIA TECH SHOOTING

As I'm sure you know that yesterday there was a deadly shooting incident at
Virginia Tech. A team of 25 VMs are at the University. Another 15 to 20 are
about to leave to join them. But 100 VMs are needed on the ground within the
next 24 hours.

This tragedy has overwhelmed the students and faculty of the school and the
local residents. And the families of the victims are in urgent need of our
help.

We have been asked by the Salvation Army staff, who are manning the official
relief center on campus, to provide 24-hour help for the next two days in
the form of grief counseling and trauma relief for the parents and families
of the victims.

Our VMs are also working in the student trauma center at the request of the
provost (the senior academic administrator and 3rd in command of the
university). The VM team is helping her establish order and have started to
deliver assists to the students. We will also be training students and
faculty in assist tech so they can help each other and we can reach everyone
in need of the tech.

A group of the professors have asked the VMs for help in overcoming their
own trauma so they can be in a condition to help the students. We will be
hatting them on assists and Dianetics and getting them to twin up to help
each other.

In addition to our on-campus locations, we have another Command Central set
up at the clinic of a local Chiropractor four miles from the college campus.

To meet the need and demand for our help 100 VMs are needed immediately. If
you can help, call Abby in NY at (212) 757-9615 or cell (646) 235-9994 or
Kayleen in DC at (202)797-9826. You can also call the VM Hotline at
1-800-435-7498. You will need take care of your flight and living expenses.
Local Scientologists will arrange your accommodations.

ARC,

Irmin
International Volunteer Ministers Consultant

P.S. There are 25,000 full-time Virginia Tech students, and the town where
the University is located has a population of 40,000. And the students at
Radford University, some 20 minutes away, are also very upset. These people
need our help. So you can see how urgent it is for any VM who is able to do
so, to come join this team.

Nothing says Scientology like Scientology itself, when it thinks nobody's looking...

Zinjifar

These Scientologists are unwelcome bastard cultists that should get the hell off of the campus. The last thing anyone at Virginia Tech needs is a "touch assist" or "nerve assist" administered by some flunkie that gets their information from a psychotic man named L. Ron Hubbard. These people prey like vultures on those that are sick and involved in tragedies. They do nothing productive at any scene of tragedy. If they want to help out they should just send their money to the school and leave the children that go to the school alone.

These sickos in Scientology continually violate people. They did this during 9-11 in NYC and during Katrina aftermath. Go spread your cultist beliefs in L.A and Clearwater, FL.

Avoid the dangers of Scientology
WHERE THERE'S A WILL...
by Will Harris
Issue date: 1/29/07 Section: Opinion

When I started reading about the Church of Scientology about a year ago, a wealth of negative press and discussion became evident as I sleuthed the Internet.

But the incriminating evidence I found did not keep me from wanting to find out more. Scientology's strength is in offering a promise of help, hope and community to those in a rough spot in their life.

I'm here to tell you to never for any reason or by any means get involved with the Church of Scientology or any of its many branches and programs. This includes the Dianetics mission set up in Baton Rouge.

If it doesn't bother you that Scientology is set up in our own backyard, it should. Beyond the wealth of ridicule the church receives because of its upper-level science fiction stories made widely public by "South Park," the church uses underhanded and strong-arm tactics to rope members into service and require members to sign statements refusing medical treatment.

The dated personality test given to prospective church members is constructed in a way to force answers to follow a pattern. Beyond the fact that most of those desperate enough to turn to Scientology will exhibit a pattern of hopelessness and depression, the results of your personality test will inevitably show that you lack communication and emotion-handling skills because of the senselessness of the queries. The hard sell is then made to the prospective member. Scientology, of course, is the only way to get yourself out of this low point.

Questions on the test include "Do you sometimes whistle just for the fun of it?" and "Do you often read through railway time tables for merely the pleasure?"

One entry-level aspect of Scientology currently getting attention in the press is the Purification Rundown, known to Scientologists as the "purif."

Last week, The Wall Street Journal reported that judges in New Mexico are sending an increasing number of convicted drug abusers to the Scientology program "Second Chance," a series of unorthodox "treatments" including the purif and their perfected method of roping in new members.

According to ex-members, church documents and workbooks reproduced online at the leading Web site critical of the church, Operation Clambake, the purif is a "combination of exercise, vitamins, nutrition and sauna use." The treatment is based on the half-century old notion that narcotics and other illicit substances are stored indefinitely in human fat cells.

This is treated by effectively overdosing on niacin, a water-soluble B vitamin usually used in small doses to increase energy metabolism. But in doses as high as those required here, it causes a visible skin burn.

Members on the treatment are told the niacin burn is radiation escaping from their fat cells. Later on in their Scientology career, they learn this is from past lives when a soul attached to their body was subjected to a hydrogen bomb attack after being dropped into one of Earth's early volcanoes.

By the way, undergoing the intensive sauna hours, often for more than six hours a day, and being directed on how to overdose on niacin will cost you $2,560.

Critics of the church also accuse employees of "love bombing," defined as "the deliberate show of affection of friendship by an individual or a group of people toward another individual." When employees of the church want to rope in a member and keep them, they employ practices such as this.

Besides, members are the source of money, and keeping the money flowing is one of the top-most goals of Scientology, possibly second only to squandering attempts to make true information about the church public.

According to a reproduced official document on Operation Clambake's Web site, church founder L. Ron Hubbard's 1972 policy letter sent to members of the church's communications office, his only directive was "MAKE MONEY, MAKE MORE MONEY, MAKE OTHER PEOPLE PRODUCE SO AS TO MAKE MORE MONEY." The capitalization was his.

With the money the church accrues from members, the church takes on an ambitious expansion program. New missions employ and bring in church members from other areas and set extremely high requirements for gaining new members and making money.

Less-than-savory tactics for keeping members in and away from critics of the church, including "disconnecting" from one's family, are policy according to official church documents.

Scientology has used our First Amendment's ban of laws that would affect the free practice of religion to shield themselves from lawsuits and anything less than preferential treatment. As a strident advocate for the First Amendment and a social libertarian, it takes a lot for me to oppose Scientology just being left to its own devices to fizzle out in the free market. Unfortunately, the free market is weakened by tactics like those used by Scientology, which trick and capture members.

In another policy letter sent to church employees, Hubbard said, "Somebody someday will say, 'This is illegal.' By then be sure the orgs [Scientology churches] say what is legal or not."

According to WorldNetDaily, Germany declared Scientology a business this past week, not a religion, notably requiring them to close on Sundays. Other countries like the United Kingdom, Russia and Belgium do not consider the church a religion and even go so far as to label it a cult.

Until the United States takes measures to limit the power of this dangerous organization, the best we can do is inform ourselves and friends about the very real dangers of dealing with church members and employees.

Conventional therapy and counseling is readily available for little or no cost in Baton Rouge. And they won't rob you of thousands of dollars or attempt to dope you up on niacin.

-----
Contact Will Harris at
wharris@lsureveille.com

Those on this forum who staunchly defend Scientology are most likely OSA trolls. Those that do not know what Scientology is never "hotly defends" them. These trolls are well-known for disrupting any forums that emanate critical thoughts towards or about Scientology. That is Scientology policy, to disrupt, make noisy investigations, and to "utterly ruin" its enemies. Ignore them. They can blather all they like but the bottom line is this: Scientology does nothing for free. Came to help the poor, traumatized VT students? Bah! Recruit mission is the name of their game. If they are a church "like any other" then where is the outreach ministries to the poor? They have none. The poor have no standing in Scientology, except as slave labor. Scientology proclaims that it is a religion "for the able." And who are more able to afford Scientology than the children of well-off parents who can afford to send their kids to a top ranking university? Let the attacks (from the trolls) begin.....

Those on this forum who staunchly defend Scientology are most likely OSA trolls. Those that do not know what Scientology is never "hotly defends" them. These trolls are well-known for disrupting any forums that emanate critical thoughts towards or about Scientology. That is Scientology policy, to disrupt, make noisy investigations, and to "utterly ruin" its enemies. Ignore them. They can blather all they like but the bottom line is this: Scientology does nothing for free. Came to help the poor, traumatized VT students? Bah! Recruit mission is the name of their game. If they are a church "like any other" then where is the outreach ministries to the poor? They have none. The poor have no standing in Scientology, except as slave labor. Scientology proclaims that it is a religion "for the able." And who are more able to afford Scientology than the children of well-off parents who can afford to send their kids to a top ranking university? Let the attacks (from the trolls) begin.....

Those on this forum who staunchly defend Scientology are most likely OSA trolls. Those that do not know what Scientology is never "hotly defends" them. These trolls are well-known for disrupting any forums that emanate critical thoughts towards or about Scientology. That is Scientology policy, to disrupt, make noisy investigations, and to "utterly ruin" its enemies. Ignore them. They can blather all they like but the bottom line is this: Scientology does nothing for free. Came to help the poor, traumatized VT students? Bah! Recruit mission is the name of their game. If they are a church "like any other" then where is the outreach ministries to the poor? They have none. The poor have no standing in Scientology, except as slave labor. Scientology proclaims that it is a religion "for the able." And who are more able to afford Scientology than the children of well-off parents who can afford to send their kids to a top ranking university? Let the attacks (from the trolls) begin.....